Why did they leave

[catatoniaone]

Originally Posted by Lewymocha06

no they were not fired! They all left of their own accord! God you are just so annoying sometimes! Always jumping to conclusions!

Jess left because him and avril used to date.
Charlie left Cause he had his own life to get on with.
Evan left cause he got a record deal.
Matt left in between the space of UMS and TBDT(to get on with his career)

This is why they left.

Not because they were fired or because Avril was afraid to disobey her ecord company(Which she was never afraid to do e.g. being that she broke away and wrote TBDT without their supervision)

So Yeah.

DUDE please read Avril interviews before you " JUMP to CONCLUTIONS ! "
WE only make asumptions based on Information from Different places is`s not jumping to a conclution to read a interview were Avril was asked how she told her band they were fired and you were not even in this forum when some one from here talked to Matt last year so please dont be annoying .

What was wrong with your old band?
"I wanted a bigger band with more experience. Were with eight now. I hired a keyboardplayer and two dancers.
Theyve been in bigger bands and been on tour for a long time. Theyre great musicians. I was ready for them.
I kept one bandmember though. You know, before this everything was ok. I sang live and I was good at it,
but the show had to go to a new level."

So you had to fire people...
"Yes, thats how it goes. I am not a band, Im a soloartist and then its usual to play with new musicians."

Did you fire them, or did you let someone fire them?
"No i told them myself i wanted another band. Not everyone was too happy with that."

And the new bandmembers are hired by yourself?
"Im the sort of girl who exactly knows what she wants. And thats a good thing with my work. I always have to make
a lot of decissions. I decided everything myself in my whole career and meddle with everything."

This was translated by someone from Bandaids from a magazine article posted in the MEDIA forum . there is also other articles were she was asked how she told them and she said she told them over the phone.
Avril was asked again outright a few weeks later about her decision to get a new band and how she went about it and about her relationship with her friends now and she flatly refused to answer.
that and the other things give us our conclusion .
If it was any different then why didnt she say so when asked ??
Why does she never talk too or hang out with any of her old band ??

(Which she was never afraid to do e.g. being that she broke away and wrote TBDT without their supervision)

Is it intresting that she also flatly refused to answer questions about making TBDT when she was directly asked about working with Max Martin and Kara dioguardi like how they came to work with each other .
now this is just a guess but could it be that Avril doesnt answer questions because if she did then the whole " I made the album all on my own without the lable or even management knowing anything or having any involvement , and I am not going to work with any of the GO TO songwriters and producers that the label want me to work with " might look like bullshit and more marketing than reality . a bit like the whole band as "best friends and family "but hay thats just a guess.
of course Avril could just answer direct questions fully and honestly but she has chosen not too for what ever reason ^^ so we Guess and make conclusions based on all the information we have.
and its not just me that comes to the same opinion.

[Lewymocha-Original]

Originally Posted by catatoniaone

DUDE please read Avril interviews before you " JUMP to CONCLUTIONS ! "
WE only make asumptions based on Information from Different places is`s not jumping to a conclution to read a interview were Avril was asked how she told her band they were fired and you were not even in this forum when some one from here talked to Matt last year so please dont be annoying .


This was translated by someone from Bandaids from a magazine article posted in the MEDIA forum . there is also other articles were she was asked how she told them and she said she told them over the phone.
Avril was asked again outright a few weeks later about her decision to get a new band and how she went about it and about her relationship with her friends now and she flatly refused to answer.
that and the other things give us our conclusion .
If it was any different then why didnt she say so when asked ??
Why does she never talk too or hang out with any of her old band ??




Is it intresting that she also flatly refused to answer questions about making TBDT when she was directly asked about working with Max Martin and Kara dioguardi like how they came to work with each other .
now this is just a guess but could it be that Avril doesnt answer questions because if she did then the whole " I made the album all on my own without the lable or even management knowing anything or having any involvement , and I am not going to work with any of the GO TO songwriters and producers that the label want me to work with " might look like bullshit and more marketing than reality . a bit like the whole band as "best friends and family "but hay thats just a guess.
of course Avril could just answer direct questions fully and honestly but she has chosen not too for what ever reason ^^ so we Guess and make conclusions based on all the information we have.
and its not just me that comes to the same opinion.

Ah sorry but I have been here for ages just havnt signed up till january so yeah.......... That settles that.

And I am not jumping to conclusions their facts

[Sniv]

May I ask where I can find these articles where Avril says she fired the guys? I've never seen those, and until I do I'm going to stick to what Charlie told me - Which isn't what most of you think happened.

[Av rocks!]

Avril does what SHE wants not what her FANS want.

She wants to be blonde and sing fun songs and wear skirts.

That is her choice and I am happy with it.

The problem with all you people is that ye are all still teenagers and don't realise that people have to grow up. She has grown up.

I might still be a teenager too but I can grasp that concept which some of you obviously can't. She can't stay a child forever. Do you still want her walking around with a tie on, skating, and woth greasy brown hair? at 23 years old! That would be some state to be honest.

I have to say something on that one.
Nobody ever said that we want Avril to be a child, to wear ties, to be a skater again or stuff like that. This discussion is simply about the live shows and about the difference between the 2002-2005 rock-tour and the new 2007 dancing/fun tour.
I can understand Avril is at a happier and maybe funnier point in her life,
I can understand she wants to sing "lighter" songs and
I can understand she wants to change/grow up.
But i don't know why she wants to have dancing ( or friggin' costume changes ) in her live shows.
I don't give a shit about Av's hair-color, I don't care if she wears skirts, but I care about her performances.
As i said about a thousand times now, I don't like dancers, probably because they always make me think about people like Christina Aguilera, Nelly Furtado or Rihanna ( they may be wonderful girls, but not my musical taste )

[RoxRiot]

Originally Posted by Lewymocha06

Avril does what SHE wants not what her FANS want.

She wants to be blonde and sing fun songs and wear skirts.

That is her choice and I am happy with it.

The problem with all you people is that ye are all still teenagers and don't realise that people have to grow up. She has grown up.

I might still be a teenager too but I can grasp that concept which some of you obviously can't. She can't stay a child forever. Do you still want her walking around with a tie on, skating, and woth greasy brown hair? at 23 years old! That would be some state to be honest.

She is so cool and I like her now more than ever.

Ye all say she kept it real when she started out first. I seriously don't know how you could of told because she never talked all that much. she keeps it real now more than ever, she talks, she is so kind to her fans, she keeps out of the hollywood scene, she is true to herself and does what she wants!

Avril is Avril and that's why I love her! I am so happy she doesn't listen to her fans, and that she just does what she does best!

EXCUSE THE HELL OUT OF ME, but FIRST of all, I am 20 years old and not a damn teenager, SECOND of all, who the hell said you have to be a teenager to skateboard, AND THIRD- I do all of the things av did back then, and im 20, so get your facts straight and let people have their own opinions without getting SHOT DOWN... Besides, I didnt know growing up ment dressing in slutier clothes...
By the way Av Rocks, you r my hero: I acually pretty much only listen to old school punk (besides Avril,) and its acually all because of her that my music taste evolved and I started listening to different types of rock, so I know exactly how u feel...

[MissWhibley]

Originally Posted by Jain

They all were fired..
well sorta.
London left to get back to UG i guess.He didnt like working with Av if i remember correctly.
Jesse got fired after they broke up.
Evan wanted to do solo stuff.
Craig,Charles and Matt got fired.

They didnt fit the new image.

Avril used to be all about her and her bois but now shes trying to be more solo.

im sorry, but thats sooo rude of avril!!!
shes really grwoing into a b****---

[catatoniaone]

Originally Posted by Sniv

May I ask where I can find these articles where Avril says she fired the guys? I've never seen those, and until I do I'm going to stick to what Charlie told me - Which isn't what most of you think happened.

Do you meet Charlie regularly ? can you tell us how many times Avril and Charlie have spent talking and hanging out with each other in the last 12 months ?? I dont expect Avril has had much time for any of her friends and family this year so I wouldnt expect them to spend much time with each other but didnt they even see each other when Charlie was in La working with Evan ,
As he is still friends with Matt and Craig maybe you could say how many times they have met up with Avril since the wedding
also can you post exactly what Charlie told you , just paste it . Thanks


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This is one Article I think But I can`t read it thats why I said someone had translated it.
There are bits and pieces in other Interviews that have been posted and discussed in the forums some place but Im not going to look for them .
I do remember one when Avril was "quoted" as saying the reason for the new band was because the old ones weren`t good enough for what she wanted to do ( I think ). there were 3 or 4 small bits in articles ,
I take everything I read in Magazines and the like with a bit of doubt because we all know how they work especially when Quoting avril , I usually believe 100% only when I hear Avril say something herself but if 4 articles have similar meaning in Quotes then I am more inclined to believe them .
And she has been asked directly live and she has chosen not to answer so be it.
The quotes stand as the only thing she has said.
How hard would it have been for her to say they all moved on and wanted to do their own things like she said about Evan ??
Someone who met Matt about this time last year said when they were talking that he was looking forward to touring with Avril next year ( this Year ) .
Why would he say that if he had moved on and had no intention of working with her ??
Why are the conclusions we have come too un-reasonable based on the articles , quotes , contacts that are available .
because it is the same for everything about Avril and what she is doing , if we hear something we think is positive , why should positive things be more credible when they come from the exact same sources ???
I have heard from other people that Matt , Charlie and Craig haven`t hung out with Avril since her wedding ( did Craig even go to her wedding ?) and they havent spoken since she got a new band .
3 hand gossip is 3 hand gossip but add that to the articles , quotes , contacts and I would not be surprised if its true .
All of which doesnt sound like " good Friend "
If Charlie as a friend of Matt and Craig has told you they all still hang out and talk and are still friends with Avril then post what he told you I`m sure All of Avrils old fans will be verry glad to hear that.
but again why did Avril not say anything when asked directly ?
and if you can translate the article for us please do , maybe it was badly translated before.

and as AV ROCKS! said This discussion is simply about the live shows and about the difference between the 2002-2005 rock-tour and the new 2007 dancing/fun tour.

After getting used to Avril`s new band and stage show and now they have had time to get good at what they are trying to do I still think much the same about them as I did Before .
I like the two girl backing singers on a personal level but they just aren`t verry good at singing , their voices are not strong enough to move around alot and sing good at the same time but when they dont move much and keep their mouths close to the mic they are Ok but that kind of defeats the whole point of them being singer/dancers.
The rest of the backing singing has improved 2000% but originally they were honestly the worst I have ever ever heard , just go bact to the first few months of performing like the Radio 1 show they all sounded like a drunk rugby team doing Karaoke . I still dont like it , its not really their falt apart from the keyboard player who is good their vocals just dont match Avrils . Avril sings to high for them and they end up sounding plane bad .
nice idea to add to her performance but she should have got female band members that would work with her voice and " Female " songs , its to MALE and just doesnt work .
Even after they have been playing togeather for a year and have got quite good at what they are doing I still think the last band was better .
same as what others have been saying thay are better individual musicians and are great for sessions but their is more to a good band than just individual talent and they dont have IT they are just cold and plain as a band , the old one was better in my opinion.
If avril wanted to be better and UP the performance she should have looked at herself first , she could but more energy in , show more enthusiasm but instead everything she has done is just cosmetic , the dancing , stage costumes , costume changes , choreography all rubbish .
that stuff is what performers do when they are covering up a lack of genuine talent eg Madonna , Britney.
and by changing the band and choreographing her stage show she has managed to get rid of 2 things she had going for her , the open and free spirit , real chemistry in the band.
Now she is more like any other Popstar only difference is different songs different name everything elese is interchangeable with every other major lable singer. everything.

The old band was better and the old stage show was better and not boaring like now.
only my opinion

[AVRILxFAN]

I have tried to translate it for you:

What's wrong with your old band?
I wanted a bigger band who had more experiences. We are now with 8 people. I hired a keyboardplayer and two dancers. They played in other big bands before and have been longer on tour. They are great musicians. I was ready for it. By the way I kept one bandmember. You know, before this it was ok. I sang live and I'm good at it, but the show had to lift to a higher level.

So you had to fire people...
Yes that's the way it goes. I'm not in a band. I'm a solo artist and it's normal to play with other musicians once a while.

So you had fired them by yourself or by other people?
No, I told them by myself that I wanted another band. Not everyone was happy about it.

I'm not the best translater so I hope you understand lol.

[catatoniaone]

Thanks that fits with what I had believed

Not everyone was happy about it.

and if it definitely says fired

must be the right article thanks

[Avril 41]

Originally Posted by Lewymocha08

Avril does what SHE wants not what her FANS want.

She wants to be blonde and sing fun songs and wear skirts.

That is her choice and I am happy with it.

The problem with all you people is that ye are all still teenagers and don't realise that people have to grow up. She has grown up.

I might still be a teenager too but I can grasp that concept which some of you obviously can't. She can't stay a child forever. Do you still want her walking around with a tie on, skating, and woth greasy brown hair? at 23 years old! That would be some state to be honest.

She is so cool and I like her now more than ever.

Ye all say she kept it real when she started out first. I seriously don't know how you could of told because she never talked all that much. she keeps it real now more than ever, she talks, she is so kind to her fans, she keeps out of the hollywood scene, she is true to herself and does what she wants!

Avril is Avril and that's why I love her! I am so happy she doesn't listen to her fans, and that she just does what she does best!

i agree with you Lewy!!!! seriously thats how i feel!!!