The 5th Album Thread V.1

[DanTheSk8erMan]

So, it's been a good few weeks now. Any avid Avril fan has hopefully had the chance to completely absorb Goodbye Lullaby. I know I definitely have, and I love it. I think it has everything an Avril album needs.

I do see album 5 in going two directions though, she's going to continue (and improve) her creative flow and keep up with sticking to what she believes in. Maybe mellow out a bit more, maybe rock out a bit more. Vocally, I think she is exceeding anything I ever thought. Lyrically, she could use a bit more work. But she shows so much promise on this album.

I (hope) album #5 is going to stay in this direction that the second half of the album took. Obviously, there might not be as many melancholy songs because it's been a while since her breakup. Unless of course, she goes through another one. But I hope it becomes what the intended Goodbye Lullaby to be, so this album really is a bridge for what's to come.

What do you guys think of her doing an urban/dance album?
Call me old school, but I would probably curl up in a ball and *physically* die. Even if she comes up with this "Oh it's something new and different" (which all artists tend to say when they sell out), I wouuld just shake my head, and think Goodbye Lullaby was a flush down the toilet.

I'm really curious though, because it could genuinely go both ways. I think if Avril stays true to herself, and keeps putting out the music she wants, she will have more longevity. Sure she won't be at the top of the charts anymore, but she will grow with her fans. Instead of always reverting back to a teenage audience, and then losing what she's worked for.

It would follow the lines of Alanis morrisette, She's made her mark in music, and she will always be remembered, and she will always have fans, and she will keep coming out with albums. Some more successful than others. And the artist shows maturity and growth in their music.

What do you guys think? I don't know if Avril could survive another TBDT fiasco... cause that one was really cutting it close.

[DALE]

It's obvious alot of non-hardcore fans don't want avril to go in this direction based on album sales, she might not have much say in her next album, and there will most likely be more drama behind the scenes in making her next album.

For a long time I heard fans talk about if she made this type of album old fans would come rushing back, it didn't happen, if she continue's on with this direction musically, she'll fade into obscurity like alanis has, she'll have to re-invent her sound and image to be relevant, something her role-model madonna has done constantly thru her 25+ years in music and something alanis did, people outside of canada don't realize that alanis started out as a britney style dance/pop singer, singing horrible dance/pop songs like "too hot", "walk away" and "feel your love" it wasn't working for her, so she went away for a few years and jumped on the angst gravy grunge wagon (you could call her a sellout if you wanted), to everyone who knew her before's shock.

Most of the music industry is based on teenage audiences, name anyone current, most of their audiences are tweens.

So a prediction, it will be more dance.

[Cuupcake]

As long as it sticks to a mix between Under my skin and Goodbye Lullaby I'm lucky.

[gabo]

A grunge pop album!

[Jacklavigne]

So a prediction, it will be more dance.

I'd rather to wait 4 more years than getting a Gaga-ish, Kesha-ish album. I don't give a damn about "relevance" and "sales". I want her to have a long and solid career, but not at all costs. I don't want to keep thinking about teen audience.

She needs to grow with her fans. She can't be a 30-year-old woman and still releasing songs for tweens. Of course, she will always have teenager as fans, but if she keeps growing up with her music, her fans will be with her forever, even though she's not "in" or sells zillions of albums.

As for the music style, I'd like her to continue exploring the pop-rock style for some years and maybe when she gets older she could explore some other interesting genres. But as I said, not trying to "follow the crowd". I don't even care if she can't release albums every 2 years or if she doesn't come here on tour in years.

I want her to release the music she really wants and feels inside, not what others try to impose.

[avrilxxx15]

It's obvious alot of non-hardcore fans don't want avril to go in this direction based on album sales, she might not have much say in her next album, and there will most likely be more drama behind the scenes in making her next album.

For a long time I heard fans talk about if she made this type of album old fans would come rushing back, it didn't happen, if she continue's on with this direction musically, she'll fade into obscurity like alanis has, she'll have to re-invent her sound and image to be relevant, something her role-model madonna has done constantly thru her 25+ years in music and something alanis did, people outside of canada don't realize that alanis started out as a britney style dance/pop singer, singing horrible dance/pop songs like "too hot", "walk away" and "feel your love" it wasn't working for her, so she went away for a few years and jumped on the angst gravy grunge wagon (you could call her a sellout if you wanted), to everyone who knew her before's shock.

Most of the music industry is based on teenage audiences, name anyone current, most of their audiences are tweens.

So a prediction, it will be more dance.

Please don't say that, and what's weird is i've read your other comments and you're suggesting that Avril should do some electro hip-crap auto tune dance crap.

Don't you know that if Avril did what you said, she will actually ruin her image as an artist?

music today is plagued by auto tune dance bullshit, so it's wise if avril should do more rock music, more heavier, some dark but mellow tunes.

those kind of music are timeless.

[avrilxxx15]

I'd rather to wait 4 more years than getting a Gaga-ish, Kesha-ish album. I don't give a damn about "relevance" and "sales". I want her to have a long and solid career, but not at all costs. I don't want to keep thinking about teen audience.

She needs to grow with her fans. She can't be a 30-year-old woman and still releasing songs for tweens. Of course, she will always have teenager as fans, but if she keeps growing up with her music, her fans will be with her forever, even though she's not "in" or sells zillions of albums.

As for the music style, I'd like her to continue exploring the pop-rock style for some years and maybe when she gets older she could explore some other interesting genres. But as I said, not trying to "follow the crowd". I don't even care if she can't release albums every 2 years or if she doesn't come here on tour in years.

I want her to release the music she really wants and feels inside, not what others try to impose.

I've heard in her recent interviews that if she have her ways, she wants to make a very heavy, noisy, almost metal album.

She also want to do a side project in a rock band.

I'm really looking forward for her to do that.

I believe in Avril's capability as an artist, all of her albums sounds very different, she take risk on things.

She will improve more, she have lots of potential.

[RebelGirl]

I'd rather to wait 4 more years than getting a Gaga-ish, Kesha-ish album. I don't give a damn about "relevance" and "sales". I want her to have a long and solid career, but not at all costs. I don't want to keep thinking about teen audience.

She needs to grow with her fans. She can't be a 30-year-old woman and still releasing songs for tweens. Of course, she will always have teenager as fans, but if she keeps growing up with her music, her fans will be with her forever, even though she's not "in" or sells zillions of albums.

As for the music style, I'd like her to continue exploring the pop-rock style for some years and maybe when she gets older she could explore some other interesting genres. But as I said, not trying to "follow the crowd". I don't even care if she can't release albums every 2 years or if she doesn't come here on tour in years.

I want her to release the music she really wants and feels inside, not what others try to impose.

You took the words right out of my mouth.....

[avrilxxx15]

She also love Jazz music more than today's music.

Now i am really hoping to see some heavy dark jazz pop rock grunge album

[hoang_se]

I don't think she will do urban music, that just doesn't fit her.
However I do think that the 5th album will be more commercial.

[gabo]

Can i see where did u hear that? I'm not doubting about it, i just wanna read/hear that... Thanks if u or someone send me a link

I've heard in her recent interviews that if she have her ways, she wants to make a very heavy, noisy, almost metal album.

She also want to do a side project in a rock band.

I'm really looking forward for her to do that.

I believe in Avril's capability as an artist, all of her albums sounds very different, she take risk on things.

She will improve more, she have lots of potential.

[LearningToLiveAgain]

I'd rather to wait 4 more years than getting a Gaga-ish, Kesha-ish album. I don't give a damn about "relevance" and "sales". I want her to have a long and solid career, but not at all costs. I don't want to keep thinking about teen audience.

She needs to grow with her fans. She can't be a 30-year-old woman and still releasing songs for tweens. Of course, she will always have teenager as fans, but if she keeps growing up with her music, her fans will be with her forever, even though she's not "in" or sells zillions of albums.

As for the music style, I'd like her to continue exploring the pop-rock style for some years and maybe when she gets older she could explore some other interesting genres. But as I said, not trying to "follow the crowd". I don't even care if she can't release albums every 2 years or if she doesn't come here on tour in years.

I want her to release the music she really wants and feels inside, not what others try to impose.

The longer she waits the longer she is stuck with the control freaks over at RCA. She will probably have a mix of the Alex songs, which she had full control over, plus some great acoustic tracks like gone. That will be her last album there, after she will finally be able to break free of RCA.