Chad Kroeger: "Avril can pound the vodka, for a girl of her stature"

[avrilxxx15]

I hope this album will be a "perfect" album Like Under My Skin, ( or Let Go ) like commercially successful but at the same time a fan favorite, look at TBDT, it's a big album but it's fan most hated album, look at GL, it's beloved by fans YET it lacks of success.

[avrilxxx15]

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What's wrong with that? We fans have certain kind of demands, some are outrageous, some are uncalled,some are bad for her and her career.

It's true, her making a dance rnb music will destroy her and make her a total joke, It's easy , who wants to see a pop rock chick emulate Katy and others? she have to stick with her own game.

[Annie Was Here]

What's wrong with that? We fans have certain kind of demands, some are outrageous, some are uncalled,some are bad for her and her career.

It's true, her making a dance rnb music will destroy her and make her a total joke, It's easy , who wants to see a pop rock chick emulate Katy and others? she have to stick with her own game.

That's not what I meant.

[blackout]

She did with Goodbye Lullaby

true but we all know it wasn't her first intention and her label only wanted some upbeat songs for radio. i doubt she'd release an album with both full on rnb and then rock. she said the album isn't as pop, meaning these rhythmic songs aren't going to be rnb/dance.

[Gabbox]

Yeah guys.. She had said "GL" wouldn't be pop... WTH, SMILE, BLACK STAR, WISH YOU WERE HERE, I LOVE YOU, STOP STANDING THERE, EVERYBODY HURTS.." they're pop.. I mean they're not rock or rnb or rap, they're soft pop music.
So we should understand what she means when she says something is not pop.

[Devon]

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[avrilxxx15]

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It's bandaids, what do you expect....

[Squall.]

I hope this album will be a "perfect" album Like Under My Skin, ( or Let Go ) like commercially successful but at the same time a fan favorite, look at TBDT, it's a big album but it's fan most hated album, look at GL, it's beloved by fans YET it lacks of success.

She absolutely needs a song like the ones of Let Go/My Happy Ending eras, when people will hear the song, they'e going to think "I love this song, Avril is finally back !", if she releases a song like Girlfriend or WTH as lead single, they will think "Another commercial Pop song like the one I heard 20 minutes ago". It's maybe stupid but I really think that it would change something.

[avrilxxx15]

She absolutely needs a song like the ones of Let Go/My Happy Ending eras, when people will hear the song, they'e going to think "I love this song, Avril is finally back !", if she releases a song like Girlfriend or WTH as lead single, they will think "Another commercial Pop song like the one I heard 20 minutes ago". It's maybe stupid but I really think that it would change something.

It all boils down to single choices, if she chose the wrong lead single, all her hard work and effort for the 5th album will go to the gutter, The quality of the album will be useless as people will be turned off if she release another generic pop song.

The thing is, if Avril do a pt 2 of I'm With You or My Happy Ending and Complicated, people will complain "Oh Avril has not evolved" or " She's still stuck in teenage angst"

But I agree, Avril better release a very serious mature lead single

[how does it feel]

Exactly my thought process. RCA didn't write What The Hell. Avril did, and she is the only one to blame. She could have said NO to lyrics like "making out with your friend".

You'd be surprised about what goes on behind the scenes. I once watched a programme about the "dark side" of the music industry, and many songs get sent back to the producers by major record labels and they tell them to "sex" them up, because afterall - "Sex Sells". That could have been the case with WTH, the demo might have been VERY different to the final version with the risque lyrics. Artists are often heavily influenced by labels for a certain sound and certain topics. RCA would have briefed Max beforehand telling them exactly what they wanted, and more than often, it's beyond the artists control.

Take into account, NONE of Avril's self-written songs contain any raunchy lyrics whatsoever. Some of the lyrics in WTH are very unusual for Avril, which just shows how much control record labels have over their hits.

RCA would have had more control over the Avril/Max collaboration than you could imagine. They would have told Avril exactly what they wanted. It shows how controlling they are, if Avril had had her way, GL would have been released in 2009.

[Miles890]

How could you ( we ) know that it's all her decision to work and choose Max? Same thing can be applied to Alex Da Kid, off course she won't say all the things that happened behind the scenes,

RCA must have told her to write a pop song similar from TBDT for hits, or else album delay, And it's not only Max she work during the delay, She also worked with Alex Da kid

Maybe she choose him all because of finishing quota.

How is Goodbye and SST inferior to those songs?

Its like it sounds like Adele ( and other pop artist) is superior than her, Yes they are different style, but I still can't see why is they are better, specially Adele. No offense I don't really see the fuzz, specially that in a couple of her songs, she sounds like Justin Bieber, but either way SHE DESERVES her success and she made a statement that you don't need to do do dance pop and rnb to make it big, For that i respect her even if i don't like her music.

It's sad, looks like Avril can't just win in anything, quality and commercial, critical aspect, If her own fans think that way,then how is she now? what is she suppose to do?

I only demand her not to follow the current dance rnb trend and that's it.

She said it!! Why would she have lied after all the s** she said about them??
Only because we are fans, we don't have to be blind: of course Avril is talented, but there are artist who beat her lyrically and vocally(especially lyrically)
How are they inferior?? cuz they seemed written by a little girl on her diary, especially Goodbye..all the goodbyes, can't hide, love you so part are so ridiculous compared to: i set fire to the rain, watch it pour as i touched your face or Under haunted skies I see you, ooh Where love is lost, your ghost is found I braved a hundred storms to leave you.

Thank God that she worked with Chad and David who could teach her new words, new expression forms...

[avrilxxx15]

She said it!! Why would she have lied after all the s** she said about them??
Only because we are fans, we don't have to be blind: of course Avril is talented, but there are artist who beat her lyrically and vocally(especially lyrically)
How are they inferior?? cuz they seemed written by a little girl on her diary, especially Goodbye..all the goodbyes, can't hide, love you so part are so ridiculous compared to: i set fire to the rain, watch it pour as i touched your face or Under haunted skies I see you, ooh Where love is lost, your ghost is found I braved a hundred storms to leave you.

Thank God that she worked with Chad and David who could teach her new words, new expression forms...

Maybe lyrically, yes, but I don't know about music.

There are tons of songs with better lyrics, but it's not enough to make it a great song.