Gabe's tweet: "This album is like Candy for your ears"

[HBK-79]

I mean, she'd look ridiculous if she was still wearing ties and baggy clothes.

Unfortunately, most of the stuff Avril has worn since 2007 has been regarded as "teenager-ish" by the general public anyway. **cough**AD**cough**

WYWH should have been the 1st single then it would have been a big hit, It had zero promo from RCA but that changed when Epic came in.

The downside to that is WYWH, had it been released as the lead single, would've been shit on for sounding too much like Fucking Perfect.

So no, a fun Avril like WTH or Girlfriend would not be the direction to go in, unless the direction you're heading is on top of the Bubbling Under charts. Avril needs a sick beat, yeah the song can be fun but we don't want the 'fun' that she used to be. We want a different side of her. If she wants to stay a one-trick pony then she'll be treated like one by the public, a has-been.

Too late....The public already thinks that.

Also, Avril has displayed she can have great upbeat songs without them being bratty. Sk8er Boi being a fine example. Runaway, the smash hit that never happened, is another great example.

I may be in the minority when I say this. But Avril sounds like a castrated chipmunk on Runaway.

When she first started out, she was one of the few pop artists who played instruments, sang live, and wrote her own music. She also dressed and acted differently. But now? You've got Adele and Taylor Swift who can also do that stuff. Even Kesha writes her own songs. Avril's music is still unique, but most of the things she does that once made her different, are not original anymore. She's gotten lost in the shuffle of all the new singer/songwriters, just like Alanis got lost in the shuffle of the Avrils, Michelle Branches, and Vanessa Carltons.

It's true that the likes of Taylor Swift (and even Kelly Clarkson) has turned into "the star that Avril was supposed to become".

Does that mean Avril will end up washed-up Alanis?

To me, I think the reason people have had a hard time accepting it is because her old image was seen by many as "cool," "anti-Hollywood," "anti-glitz-and-glamour," etc. She seemed less manufactured than other pop artists and more relatable. Then when TBDT came out and her image became more pop, a lot of people saw her as a manufactured bubblegum pop artist like the others.

A lot of people that I've talked to regarding Avril would say: "You're preaching to the choir".

I don't know if it would have challenged her followers support so much if she hadn't put the effort and emphasized all these anti-statements when she was young...unless someone had been spoon-feeding her these thoughts all along.

You know- I've always had this deep-seated feeling that Avril's handlers during the LG era had been getting into Avril's ear and instructing her to publicly say all that shit about Britney and Christina as all part of the overall marketing scheme.

[Annie Was Here]

I'm changing as an artist, so I just hope that my fans will appreciate that and enjoy the music as it changes. I was only seventeen when Complicated went to number one - I've been in this business since I was a young kid, things change, my tastes in music develops all the time.

Just a relevant quote from early 2004.

But that shouldn't make her listeners feel obligated to go with it. Open mindedness is a great method to practice in any situation, and I'd encourage anyone to give it a shot with the likes of an artist like Avril where things like change are a very prominent occurrence. It's a great exercise to expand your interests, acceptances, and tolerances in a wide variety of spectrum's.

But because Avril continues to develop, that doesn't mean her listeners can't, too.

A good chunk of her supporters have evolved and developed other interests outside of Avril, and that should be perfectly understandable on all sides. What shouldn't be understandable is the insistent negative dedication people continue to demonstrate when it comes to her career when they say they no longer support her. You either like her music, or you don't. I'd say her haters who take the time to Google the fuck out of her and create websites for her still love her music.

I feel like I'm in a pickle a lot of the times with Avril however, because although I love her and her music very much, and she played such a big part in my youth, I'm also going through my own growth progress. My opinions and tastes are developing all the time, too. I mean, I was nine or ten-years-old when I first heard Complicated on the radio. I was a child. And so was Avril.

For me personally, I relate Avril to the likes of an old friend. Someone you once couldn't help but relate to. You were young and you associated a lot of wonderful memories with this "friend". Then, you both grew and started developing and furthering your interests. It wasn't either of your faults for associating yourself with different things, it's just something that naturally occurred. You'll still continue to love and respect this person for who they are and what you had (or still have), you're just not the same people anymore. How many times has this happened to you and friend? Probably a lot. It's sad, but what can you do?

[Zach]

But that shouldn't make her listeners feel obligated to go with it. Open mindedness is a great method to practice in any situation, and I'd encourage anyone to give it a shot with the likes of an artist like Avril where things like change are a very prominent occurrence. It's a great exercise to expand your interests, acceptances, and tolerances in a wide variety of spectrum's.

But because Avril continues to develop, that doesn't mean her listeners can't, too.

A good chunk of her supporters have evolved and developed other interests outside of Avril, and that should be perfectly understandable on all sides. What shouldn't be understandable is the insistent negative dedication people continue to demonstrate when it comes to her career when they say they no longer support her. You either like her music, or you don't. I'd say her haters who take the time to Google the fuck out of her and create websites for her still love her music.

I feel like I'm in a pickle a lot of the times with Avril however, because although I love her and her music very much, and she played such a big part in my youth, I'm also going through my own growth progress. My opinions and tastes are developing all the time, too. I mean, I was nine or ten-years-old when I first heard Complicated on the radio. I was a child. And so was Avril.

For me personally, I relate Avril to the likes of an old friend. Someone you once couldn't help but relate to. You were young and you associated a lot of wonderful memories with this "friend". Then, you both grew and started developing and furthering your interests. It wasn't either of your faults for associating yourself with different things, it's just something that naturally occurred. You'll still continue to love and respect this person for who they are and what you had (or still have), you're just not the same people anymore. How many times has this happened to you and friend? Probably a lot. It's sad, but what can you do?

For sure. My view is, if you don't like the music she's making then you don't have to listen to it. But there are people who want her to change simply to fit their own taste and style, instead of just moving on themselves and trying to find artists whose music they relate to better.

[how does it feel]

We'll have to see how Adele's career plays out. She's certainly not following the current pop trend but she doesn't have enough albums yet to determine how much diversity she can have in her sound.

I believe pretty much ANY artist who has made it big can have longevity, but it's all about reinvention and variation. That's what Avril did so rightly with The Best Damn Thing. You know how fickle fame can be, you're a Superstar one minute and you're a "has-been" the next, prevention is vital.

Adele is in a dilemma. She can't release another "21" because people will get bored, and I'm guessing it'll be hard to top some of the gems on that album. But then if she tries to release something more mainstream and current, she'll be seen as a sell-out. I just wonder how controlling her label will be on her next record. They've seen how successful she can be so I wonder if they'll capitalize on 21, or release something completely different. I wish Adele the best, she's super talented, I hope her label make all the right choices with this album.

[how does it feel]

For sure. My view is, if you don't like the music she's making then you don't have to listen to it. But there are people who want her to change simply to fit their own taste and style, instead of just moving on themselves and trying to find artists whose music they relate to better.

That's a really great point you make there Zach! I think members of a fan-base can be pretty selfish (I guess a lot of us are guilty of doing it), and want an artist to release what they want.

I honestly don't mind what genre Avril does, I will always support her. I feel like some people dwell on Let Go/Under My Skin too much. They were epic albums, but they're in the past and Avril's at a different stage in her life. I want Avril to believe in whatever she releases, because Avril has said it herself - if you're touring with these songs and sharing them with the world, you've got to believe in what you do. I hate it if Avril succumb to pressure and put out an UMS 2.0, and hated writing songs like that. I don't care what she releases, as long as she believes in it. This is why I love The Best Damn Thing so much, people say "Oh, she changed", "sellout" etc. But you can tell Avril loved the record and believed in it, in fact - with the exception of the fifth record, TBDT was album she was most passionate about. This is why I'm so excited about the next one, she's genuinely excited and you can tell she believes in it.

[BogoGog24]

^ Exactly. I don't get why people want her to release more UMS-type stuff if that isn't what she wants to do. If her heart's not in it, it'll just sound like crap. I'd rather her do something she fully has her heart in, even if it's different from what I want or expect, because it will sound good and natural (part of TBDT's success) than have her do something she doesn't want to just to please other people because it'll sound awful. That's why a lot of the time on the BST she had "autopilot" modes and what not- her heart wasn't in it, she was over the era before it even began (even though she said it was the most fun she's had on tour, I still think that was only because she was playing the old hits- she didn't seem to care about GL that much, or else she would have played more songs from it).

[Jacklavigne]

^ Exactly. I don't get why people want her to release more UMS-type stuff if that isn't what she wants to do. If her heart's not in it, it'll just sound like crap. I'd rather her do something she fully has her heart in, even if it's different from what I want or expect, because it will sound good and natural (part of TBDT's success) than have her do something she doesn't want to just to please other people because it'll sound awful. That's why a lot of the time on the BST she had "autopilot" modes and what not- her heart wasn't in it, she was over the era before it even began (even though she said it was the most fun she's had on tour, I still think that was only because she was playing the old hits- she didn't seem to care about GL that much, or else she would have played more songs from it).

Because that kind of album/stuff is what made them fans and they think that's what she's best at. As simple as that. Most of fans have their own tastes and a lot of them can't handle something that's out of what they like/want. For example, those people who didn't appreciate GL because it was "boring", or those who didn't appreciate TBDT because it was "bratty" or even those who didn't appriciate UMS because it was "dark and deppressive". There's an Avril for everyone, and she won't be able to satisfy all her fans at once, it's impossible.

I also want her to do whatever she wants and feels excited with. She clearly wasn't comfortable with GL after 1 year of its creation, she got over that album, and she hated the first single and probably only like the 2nd because it was related to Brody. I'm so happy she could switch labels and get out of that RCA mess. Now she looks genuinely excited about that music she's making and going to release. I might like it or not, but first and foremost I want her to be happy with what she does, because it will show on her interviews, performances, etc.

[avrilxxx15]

HBK-29, As much as I like you here and appreciating your concern towards Avril, sometimes, of recently your post is just...reminds me of myself in my bad days, sorry my friend. But you kinda saying that there's no more hope for Avril, or maybe it's on your way of delivering things, But don't worry, Who am i to judge you? I was even worst before. But my point is ( like me ) your post can sometimes bring anxiety and worry to other,s what's weird is you are a supportive member like me, you have a very noble, intention, it's just not delivered out.

The point is, There's still hope, anything can happen, when I say ANYTHING, I am not talking about those bad negative things, but those great positive things, sorry my friend but I think you ( and me and everyone else ) is discrediting Avril just because one out of her four album did not do great. Just one album out of four.

Cheer up my friend, thinking such thought is not good, it might even create self fulfilled prophecy for her.

But I don't blame you, you seem just so upset and affected with the GL failure PLUS off all the members here, You are, I think who is the most unlucky enough to get mixed with so many people, ( both in real life and on line ) who hates Avril with passion.

It's like, how can i use some metaphor on this, but I know where you coming, it will affect you and can bring you down.

[avrilxxx15]

^ Exactly. I don't get why people want her to release more UMS-type stuff if that isn't what she wants to do. If her heart's not in it, it'll just sound like crap. I'd rather her do something she fully has her heart in, even if it's different from what I want or expect, because it will sound good and natural (part of TBDT's success) than have her do something she doesn't want to just to please other people because it'll sound awful. That's why a lot of the time on the BST she had "autopilot" modes and what not- her heart wasn't in it, she was over the era before it even began (even though she said it was the most fun she's had on tour, I still think that was only because she was playing the old hits- she didn't seem to care about GL that much, or else she would have played more songs from it).

That's why the selfish side of my fanship sometimes secretely wish some hard shit happens to her personal life that it will effect her so much, will make her depressed, angry, sad, even unstable for the sake of being inspired from it and releasing another dark angry album.

The whole world loves her when she's feeling down and dark.. and it's the opposite when she's happy ( according to one fan in youtube )

Do I want her to get through heavy shit so she can dark heavy song for my own personal taste and satisfaction? NO!!!! I want her to be happy. But why do i want?

IT'S BECAUSE THE DARK, ANGRY, UMS AVRL IS THE MOST RESPECTED AVRIL, LOOK AT HER CAREER BACK THEN! EXCEPT FOR THE ALBUM REVIEW, UMS ALBUM/ERA IS WHERE SHE'S MOST REVERED AND RESPECTED BY FANS AND NON FANS A LOT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT FANS AND NON FANS ARE WISHING AND WANTING FOR HER TO GO BACK TO THAT IMAGE/MUSIC!

Like what I said, it's not my personal choice, it's the majority of those in the big markets wants that Avril back, and if it's true, then thats the way for her to succeed! Even If i don't like that image anymore

[Shuhan]

Discussions,Discussions,Discussions,Discussions... ......................



I wanna hear a preview of the 1st single....

[kurisu138]

@Avrilxxx15: Even if something bad happened in her life, she probably still won't make a UMS 2.0. She knows how much she hated singing the songs live in 2005... maybe a month or 2 before. She doesn't want to always feel like shit. That's why TBDT was made; to make her feel happy again. And she should stay happy.

[avrilxxx15]

@Avrilxxx15: Even if something bad happened in her life, she probably still won't make a UMS 2.0. She knows how much she hated singing the songs live in 2005... maybe a month or 2 before. She doesn't want to always feel like shit. That's why TBDT was made; to make her feel happy again. And she should stay happy.

If that's true then I don't know, lets all wait for TBDT pt 3, pt 4, pt 5, pt 6, pt 7, or I don't know if she can finally regain her crediblity much easier if she stays in such emotion I am not saying Avril can't write great songs when she's happy, she can. but the point is, IMAGE WISE, at least IMAGE, that Avril is the most respected by people and one of the few ways she can regain ALL she have lost during TBDT is go back to UMS, at least image wise, the whole world find the dark, aloof,angry anti anything Avril more relatable and lovable, and what does the world feels toward the happy Avril? they hate it!

Regarding my comment to HBK 29 about there's still hope, yes there is, but the sure easiest way for her to back there is to get back with the UMS persona, the world and people miss and love that Avril so much!

Oh Yeah I just said because some user here will point out how self contradicting I am about my comment to HBK 29, about there's hope and chance for her and we should not discrediting her.

I am just pointing out the EASIEST, solution for her to be on the top again.

Yes there are other ways for Avril to get back without resorting to UMS 2.0, however, those options is not the safest and they are harder than what I said.