Gabe's tweet: "This album is like Candy for your ears"

[BogoGog24]

If you notice, the majority of the types of comments that avrilxxx15 seems to be referencing, if he's referencing what I think he is, are mostly from former fans. They are holding on to this old image of Avril and can't seem to move past it. I admit I sometimes miss how she was back in LG and UMS, but I think it's just for nostalgic purposes. We were all at some special point in our lives then just like she was and we just miss that time- for me, I was a kid back then. So I simply miss being a kid and listening to LG in my room every day. Some people don't deal with change very well or were just simply turned off by the new music, new image, the dancers, etc. She was making tons of changes in her career at that time with the addition of clothing, acting, etc. I guess it was just too much for some people to handle and they feel the only way to deal with it is to complain about it and wish the "old" her would come back.

[★R★]

In the long run, TBDT did mostly trouble for her, Because of that, people have even more reason to take her seriously,and those who think she's a sell out from the start are like " see, we are right, Avril is just like Britney Spears ".

Even her biggest hit "Girlfriend" is not good for her in the long run, why? Because it's her most known song, It's the song that made people think Avril is a bratty, immature boyfriend stealing sell out, and her serious hit " I'm With You" and " My Happy Ending " have been put aside, because of that song, people have forgot she have a soft, serious side.

Can you imagine how huge her fanbase today if they have not left her in 2007? If she continue with her "legit" anti hollywood image, Avril is filling huge arenas at the moment.

Anyways can you explain how did TBDT save her from irrelvence? Look at the UMS era, her career, her fanbase is very and going strong,when TBDT came out, she lost ALMOST all of her fanbase.

People never took her seriously. Maybe her fanbase, but to the general public she was mostly viewed as a watered down-teenage Alanis. If she stayed on the path she was going, her career would be a lot more quiet. Keep Holding On is one of her best radio friendly ballads, and despite it being her first new single in years, it peaked at #17 on the Hot 100. To put it in perspective, "What The Hell" peaked at #11. "Girlfriend" is what got her the #1 and sold her record. Despite "Girlfriend" being #1, "When You're Gone" barely scraped top 20. That song was made for an Adult AC listener, and it didn't do anything. Don't say it was "Girlfriend" that attributed to it's minor success, because the general public and fans don't write an artist off because of one song. It didn't hit because it was the same old-mid tempo sound that she had done before. People wanted something new from her, and "Girlfriend" was that.

Girlfriend is definitely not her most "known" song either. Complicated, Sk8ter Boi, I'm With You, My Happy Ending and Girlfriend are pretty even on the playing field in terms of public awareness.

Avril's biggest handicap has never been her material, it's been her timing. Most of her fans didn't vanish because of The Best Damn Thing, they vanished because she didn't put out an album for three years. If Goodbye Lullaby was released in November 2009, it would have been just as, if not more successful than her previous three albums.

[BogoGog24]

I kind of agree with Strawberry. That's what GL was supposed to do, was showcase her "singer/songwriter" side. Unfortunately, you'd only be able to perceive that if you bought the album. The only songs she did live that showcase that side are Push, SST, and Alice. I really thought she was gonna play more instruments on this tour and for whatever reason she decided to make it into a watered down TBDTour. It was mostly her old hits to get the crowd going, running all over the stage, etc. I really would have liked to see the original idea of a theater tour and how that would have played out for her, but unfortunately, for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

Depending on what the 5th album is like, it's difficult to determine if we could possibly get that type of tour for the next tour or not. The Bonez Tour is a perfect example, in terms of showcasing her musicianship- she played instruments on almost every single song in that setlist- there was a balance of fun songs and hits, along with the songs that showcased her songwriting abilities and emotions. But that's provided that people are interested enough to see her on tour. As far as TV appearances go where more people are likely to see her, the singles will have to (hopefully) showcase those abilities. From what we have heard about this album so far, it sounds like it's going in a good direction.

[Strawberry]

If you notice, the majority of the types of comments that avrilxxx15 seems to be referencing, if he's referencing what I think he is, are mostly from former fans. They are holding on to this old image of Avril and can't seem to move past it. I admit I sometimes miss how she was back in LG and UMS, but I think it's just for nostalgic purposes. We were all at some special point in our lives then just like she was and we just miss that time- for me, I was a kid back then. So I simply miss being a kid and listening to LG in my room every day. Some people don't deal with change very well or were just simply turned off by the new music, new image, the dancers, etc. She was making tons of changes in her career at that time with the addition of clothing, acting, etc. I guess it was just too much for some people to handle and they feel the only way to deal with it is to complain about it and wish the "old" her would come back.

Not really. I can only speak for myself, but from my perspective, I don't think people necessarily want Avril to be exactly like she was during those old times. At least I know I don't. It wouldn't make sense nor feel natural.

I'm labelled here (or used to be back in the day) as a negative person, but in reality all I often say is that Avril isn't taking advantage of her talent. She's only using half of it and exploring it in really contrived ways that set a bad image for herself publicly.

That's what I personally would like to see her changing. I'd love for her to take charge of everything she has to offer and actually develop her skills as a musician in a way that showcases her vocals and her appeal as a singer-songwriter.

I guess this is what I tried to say in my last HUGE post here. I couldn't give 2 craps about her old skate-punk persona, it's just frustrating that she isn't making good use of her talent.

[Shuhan]

ETA: Holy crap. WARNING: Huge post below. Sorry folks.


Avril has something that differentiates herself from the other pop divas and that could work as the main tool of her career in terms of reinsuring her credibility as a musician-- she can just grab a guitar and sing and it will be a beautiful, raw moment. Not many pop divas can do that. The fact that Avril hasn't really explored that side publicly lately just baffles me.
Remember the Roxy performances she did a few years back (2007, I believe)? Go on youtube and read the comments about those performances. Do it. There are no signs of hate on those videos because she's actually doing a good job at showcasing her true talent, which comes a lot from her singer-songwriter appeal. The problem is that she doesn't show that side nearly enough; and is seen pulling out lukewarm performances where she doesn't seem fully passionate and committed instead.

100% agree with that. She should have done another Roxy performance for Goodbye Lullaby

[HBK-79]

We'll have to see how Adele's career plays out. She's certainly not following the current pop trend but she doesn't have enough albums yet to determine how much diversity she can have in her sound.

Adele is in a dilemma. She can't release another "21" because people will get bored, and I'm guessing it'll be hard to top some of the gems on that album. But then if she tries to release something more mainstream and current, she'll be seen as a sell-out. I just wonder how controlling her label will be on her next record. They've seen how successful she can be so I wonder if they'll capitalize on 21, or release something completely different. I wish Adele the best, she's super talented, I hope her label make all the right choices with this album.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Adele, and I regard her as a "saving grace" in a pop music industry that is spilling over the brim with electropop, dance, auto-tuning, radio-ready overproduction, and watered-down country.

At the same time, I'm unsure about her future.

21 is Adele's Jagged Little Pill in terms of commercial success. And we all know JLP was so huge that Alanis became unable to replicate that success and eventually faded into obscurity. And it's fair to say that Alanis' lack of longevity can be attributed to the repetitiveness in her music and her refusal to adapt to trends.

Adele could ultimately head down that same route.

Plus, you must take into account that most British pop musicians usually do not have staying power in the US market. Just look at Natasha Bedingfield.

A lot of female pop singers remain successful because they A) follow popular trends, and/or B) rehash the same overall sound over and over again.

Avril is one of the only female artists who 1) doesn't wholly follow trends, and 2) doesn't rip herself off time and time again.

I just want to add to my previous post.

People know what to expect from the likes of Britney. And, as I said, artists like Britney stick with current trends. So Britney has no problem finding an audience.

Avril, on the other hand, as I mentioned, doesn't adhere to trends, and makes all her albums sound differently. The result is all these shifts in her fanbase.

Truthfully, I've never seen a mainstream pop artist who has the ability to gain/lose fans during each subsequent era.

[Lovisa]

it's kinda funny that people complains over her "new look". Everybody change! I have changed style over the years. People always change...

[MikeClawz]

At the end of the day, I will support her with whatever she chooses to do. As long as she keeps making catchy songs that I listen to over and over again, I will remain a fan of her music.

I do think that her music will mature over time, and that is a good thing, since her interests and tastes will change.

I really hope that she will continue working on her piano and guitar skills, and maybe become THAT type of an artist one day. The Avril in the NH performance on MadTV is not seen nearly enough, and that is where her talent SHINES.

"She'd only benefit from developing her guitar/piano skills and focusing more on showcasing her vocals"

I agree fully.

[HBK-79]

Both her label and Avril herself need to take into consideration that Avril's longevity as an artist (specially working with a big label) will always be compromised by what a wider audience thinks of her. That being said, Avril's reputation right now is absolutely terrible. Outside of her fanbase -- which has DRASTICALLY reduced over the last few years -- she's seen as a joke, a one trick pony (the type of artist who can only do the bratty, in your face style), a try-hard, and worst of all... a talentless artist. There's still an astonishing amount of people who believe she can't sing. And THAT is what needs to change ASAP.

Great post, Strawberry. However, there's no guarantee that Avril and her people will be able to change how the general public views Avril and her music.

I know quite a lot of people who won't stop regarding Avril as a hack pop tart who only gains success from annoying upbeat songs. The fact that went from tomboy to cheerleader in a matter of five years is evidence to these people's claims.

I'd point out to them brilliant stuff like MHE, IWY, KHO, Innocence, and the Roxy gig. But they'd still stand by their assessment of Avril being a teenybopper singer who can't sing and can't diversify.

The wider audience sometimes isn't worth being bothered with.

It's true. People need to get over the fact that she is not as popular as she once was. It happens to all artists, and Avril was no exception to that (see GL era). Just means she will have a kickass "comeback"...though I hate when people use that term.

All I hope for is Avril remaining a viable artist like P!nk and Kelly Clarkson.

[Devon]

I'm sorry, but some you guys are acting like she drastically changes her sound between each era. ALL of her albums have been pop-rock. Avril is no Nelly Furtado. Nelly changes her sound drastically between albums. Avril has always been a pop artist, and honestly, each album appeals to the same pop audience.

[Zach]

I'm sorry, but some you guys are acting like she drastically changes her sound between each era. ALL of her albums have been pop-rock. Avril is no Nelly Furtado. Nelly changes her sound drastically between albums. Avril has always been a pop artist, and honestly, each album appeals to the same pop audience.

And that's a Good Thing(tm).

[avrilxxx15]

I'm sorry, but some you guys are acting like she drastically changes her sound between each era. ALL of her albums have been pop-rock. Avril is no Nelly Furtado. Nelly changes her sound drastically between albums. Avril has always been a pop artist, and honestly, each album appeals to the same pop audience.

like what I said, it's not really the music, It's her drastic change of image from time to time that made people so confuse, in terms of image, she's more confusing than Lady Gaga and Nicky Minaj, at least you know what to expect from those two, but from Avril? She can do something 360* different from what she did in the past and even at the moment, kinda makes me think if she's a bi polar or ADD

Also, this has been said many times, IT's the image of TBDT that turned off her fans, if TBDT have the same sk8r or rocker image of Avril but the theme and lyrics is the same, it will be viewed as a energetic pop punk album, sound wise it's not really as pop as people say it is, it's very close to the likes of Blink 182, Good Charlotte, and even Greenday. But the glitter, feminine persona and even the dancers ruined it.

Where are you getting the idea that people prefer UMS Avril over TBDT Avril? I'm sure she had haters even back in UMS- people made fun of her for trying to act too goth and deep and rock. How would GF and WYG have become such big hits if people hated her? How would TBDTour have been so successful if people hated her? Truth is, she has always had haters every single era. You'll probably just say, "Well she had less haters in UMS and her image was more credible then." Who cares? I don't give a shit whether people like or respect Avril. All that matters is that I like and respect Avril and that's good enough for me. Plus, if you want to talk about her with other fans, that's what Bandaids is for. You don't have to go searching for people to talk about her with- there are plenty of fans right here that love her as much as you do.

I just don't understand why you're constantly hung up on this issue of what the public and especially former fans think of her. Especially if you don't feel that way personally. Would I like for Avril to have #1 hits and win tons of awards like Adele and Taylor Swift? Sure, but she had that once before- it's not like she was never popular. She had her time of popularity- it happens to all artists. Even someone like Britney Spears is not as popular as she was back in the day- it just comes with age. In a few years, Adele and Taylor will be less popular and some new Adele or Taylor-type artist will be the "It" artist. There will be some new guy trying to be like Justin Bieber. Heck, Justin Bieber is like the new Justin Timberlake. One Direction is the new Jonas Brothers. That's just how it goes. So the point is, who cares whether Avril is liked or respected by people who aren't even fans in the first place? I mean, you're not a fan of Bieber and if his fans were telling you, "You should like and respect him! Why don't you like and respect him?" It'd make you pretty angry, wouldn't it? Not everyone has to like Avril or is going to like her. We can't force people to like or respect her. And I really think that you're blowing that whole thing out of proportion anyway- I mean, there seem to be tons of people out there who are still massive Avril fans. It's mostly the former fans that bitch about her "changes" all the time and whose idea of "credible, cool" music is UMS- which is a pop album anyway. They clearly don't know what they're talking about so why listen to them?

If that is true, about her relevancy, that it's sooo sad that Avril have lost her relevancy during her 4th album! take not only her 4th album! which is something hard to accept why? because being irrelevant on your 4th album is a bad thing because, come on its only her 4th album, plus she's young,. shes not in her 30s,

While Britney, Beyonce, Pink, even Kelly who is older, have been longer than Avril is still going strong?

See my point?

My point is I can ( and some fans ) can accept her irrelavancy if she's in her late 40s or early 50s, when shes on her 9th or 11th album, but come on, to experience flop for her 4th album and at the young age of 27? That means her career started to end up pre-maturel, If it happens that she will never regain what she lost.

And Pink, Briney, and Kelly have their worst flop album career, but despite their age and odds to be relevant and top again ,look at them, they still manage to do it again.

If they can do it, why Avril can't It's not an excuse that Avril had her time, that she can sit back and relax and let the younger stars steal the spotlight from her, Look at those 3, sure they have their time, but they succeed again, so Avril can and SHOULd be on that spot, she deserves it, she got what it takes.

And to that user who said Avril did have lack of passion in her live performance, as much as i hate agreeing with you, I have no choice but to...

I agree. She did held herself back in GL era in terms of live performance, despite her amazing vocals, she have auto pilot performance.

That is where's she's wrong, that is where her handlers wrong. Avril seems not in the heart and mind on that era, her mind is on a different space.

What suck is people think she;s untalented when in reality, she's as much talented as Beyonce, Kelly, Xtina, etc.

But let's not discredit her and say she will never be committed and passionate again like what she did in 2002-2003, 2004-2005, 2007-2008,

Take a look at her pre-era attitude, she's very pumped up, she's very inspired, Avril said she's learning and learned from other talented people, Avril al so re-tweeted word of wisdom about dropping out stubbornness and how being stubborn can hinder someone's success,

She also re-tweeted about change! that is good because she do really need to change her game A LOT!

Best of all, she's back with someone who believes in her talent, who can bring the best in her, who will give her freedom BUT at the same time, Not stupid enough to make her do those things that stopping her progress.


She can do it again,. she have it, talent,voice, presence, personality, youth,beauty, passion and commitment many pop stars have at least one quality i mentioned, BUT not many have all those quality, I am not exagerating but she do have it all, all she need to do is to give it all, not pull herself back.

And I am positive that these time, Avril will not going to hold herself back, so many things have happened, we can even thank the stupid GL era because it's a wake up call.