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    Quote Originally Posted by avrilxxx15 To view the link you have to Register
    Just because she said it, it doesn't mean its true, Avril is a not good at lying...

    Off course she will not reveal all the shit behind the scenes

    But guess what, she still give us a hint, Its obvious that even if Avril said she want to work with MM and praised him, Its obvious its RCAs
    She wouldn't have said it, would she? Like you said she's not a liar..





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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles890 To view the link you have to Register
    She wouldn't have said it, would she? Like you said she's not a liar..
    That's why when she lies, its very easy to see. Why, because shes bad liar, she not mastered the "art" of lying

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    Quote Originally Posted by R To view the link you have to Register
    My problem with your initial post is that you're discrediting the credibility of P!nk & Katy Perry because of their collaboration with him, but indicate that Avril is immune to the pop landscape and doesn't depend on relevant producers for success. Avril (like every pop-artist) depends on relevant producers to stay current. She isn't an exception to that. Let Go was crafted with career producers/songwriters with hits in mind. Just because they might have been somewhat unknown at the time, doesn't make them a more credible production team. Just because Dr.Luke/Max Martian are able to stay relevant, doesn't make them more "factory" than any other songwriting/producing team in L.A. Considering RCA wasn't even willing to release her last two albums without a single from Dr. Luke & Max Martian, I'd say she's just as dependent as everyone else.

    It was a risk because it sounded different, but it was still a risk with career producing professionals, unknown or not..
    I'm not questioning anyone's credibility. I think you and I just have differing perspectives on "relevancy" and "factory hitmakers".

    Yes, Avril is a pop star in the same vein as Katy Perry and P!nk. And yes, all three of them have needed professionals in order to hit it big.

    However, I refer to MM/Dr. Luke as "more relevant" and as "factory songwriters" because their names are attached to a whole plethora of chart toppers. On the other hand, the Matrix have only Avril's singles on their mega-hits resume. MM/Dr. Luke are synonymous with Top 10 hits, while no one really knows who the Matrix are.

    What I'm saying is that while the Matrix are unknown, they were an "untapped resource" for a novice like Avril at the time. They created something fresh and unique in 2002. On the other hand, MM/Dr. Luke essentially follow the same formula, and the genericness in their handiwork has become apparent. I don't want to get into how MM/Dr. Luke's work between both Katy and P!nk have become completely repetitive and same-sounding, because this topic has been beaten to death by Bandaiders over the past year.

    I realize I may sound like I'm doubting the talents of MM/Dr. Luke. But their schtick has gotten incredibly tiresome. There's nothing intricately fresh about the MM/Luke-penned songs by Katy, P!nk, and Avril within the last few years. I applaud the Matrix for at least coming up with something not-so-cliched for Avril.

    Plus, I wouldn't say that Avril is dependent on MM and Dr. Luke. She's proven that with her hit-making material with Butch and Evan. However, RCA is immensely dependent on MM and Dr. Luke in order to generate its $$$$.

    I hope that all made sense, because I don't know how else to put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avrilxxx15 To view the link you have to Register
    I noticed, the prettier ( or more handsome ) the artist is ( regardless of genre ) they are viewed as less credible. And the less attractive you are, ( face, body or both ) the more street cred you have, WHY THE FUCK IS THAT!

    The pretty ones or fit, sexy ones have less street cred, compare to the not so attractive pop stars, or at least not physically fit.
    Examples:

    Britney Spears = Very attractive, fit, sexy, etc. but has little vocal talent

    Adele = Big-boned, relatively pretty but not model-like a la Britney, but has a lot of talent, in both singing and writing

    From these and other similar examples, they quickly become stereotypes. Of course, as artists like Avril or Kelly Clarkson demonstrate, there are exceptions to these stereotypes. But that seems like a logical explanation to me, how what you said about good looks = less credibility, came about. Regardless of how utterly stupid and shallow it is, it's nevertheless human nature. Unfortunately humans base their initial thoughts and opinions based on looks before anything else. That's how it's always been and probably always will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBK-79 To view the link you have to Register
    I'm not questioning anyone's credibility. I think you and I just have differing perspectives on "relevancy" and "factory hitmakers".

    Yes, Avril is a pop star in the same vein as Katy Perry and P!nk. And yes, all three of them have needed professionals in order to hit it big.

    However, I refer to MM/Dr. Luke as "more relevant" and as "factory songwriters" because their names are attached to a whole plethora of chart toppers. On the other hand, the Matrix have only Avril's singles on their mega-hits resume. MM/Dr. Luke are synonymous with Top 10 hits, while no one really knows who the Matrix are.

    What I'm saying is that while the Matrix are unknown, they were an "untapped resource" for a novice like Avril at the time. They created something fresh and unique in 2002. On the other hand, MM/Dr. Luke essentially follow the same formula, and the genericness in their handiwork has become apparent. I don't want to get into how MM/Dr. Luke's work between both Katy and P!nk have become completely repetitive and same-sounding, because this topic has been beaten to death by Bandaiders over the past year.

    I realize I may sound like I'm doubting the talents of MM/Dr. Luke. But their schtick has gotten incredibly tiresome. There's nothing intricately fresh about the MM/Luke-penned songs by Katy, P!nk, and Avril within the last few years. I applaud the Matrix for at least coming up with something not-so-cliched for Avril.

    Plus, I wouldn't say that Avril is dependent on MM and Dr. Luke. She's proven that with her hit-making material with Butch and Evan. However, RCA is immensely dependent on MM and Dr. Luke in order to generate its $$$$.

    I hope that all made sense, because I don't know how else to put it.
    To view the link you have to Register) In this article you can see some other songs they've written. True, their most famous work is with Avril, but they wrote a few other hits aside from her work, such as "So Yesterday" by Hilary Duff, "Why Can't I?" by Liz Phair, and "The Remedy" by Jason Mraz, all of which were released not too long after their work with Avril. She just sort of helped launch their success, just like they helped hers. It's not like they suddenly faded into oblivion after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBK-79 To view the link you have to Register
    I'm not questioning anyone's credibility. I think you and I just have differing perspectives on "relevancy" and "factory hitmakers".

    Yes, Avril is a pop star in the same vein as Katy Perry and P!nk. And yes, all three of them have needed professionals in order to hit it big.

    However, I refer to MM/Dr. Luke as "more relevant" and as "factory songwriters" because their names are attached to a whole plethora of chart toppers. On the other hand, the Matrix have only Avril's singles on their mega-hits resume. MM/Dr. Luke are synonymous with Top 10 hits, while no one really knows who the Matrix are.

    What I'm saying is that while the Matrix are unknown, they were an "untapped resource" for a novice like Avril at the time. They created something fresh and unique in 2002. On the other hand, MM/Dr. Luke essentially follow the same formula, and the genericness in their handiwork has become apparent. I don't want to get into how MM/Dr. Luke's work between both Katy and P!nk have become completely repetitive and same-sounding, because this topic has been beaten to death by Bandaiders over the past year.

    I realize I may sound like I'm doubting the talents of MM/Dr. Luke. But their schtick has gotten incredibly tiresome. There's nothing intricately fresh about the MM/Luke-penned songs by Katy, P!nk, and Avril within the last few years. I applaud the Matrix for at least coming up with something not-so-cliched for Avril.

    Plus, I wouldn't say that Avril is dependent on MM and Dr. Luke. She's proven that with her hit-making material with Butch and Evan. However, RCA is immensely dependent on MM and Dr. Luke in order to generate its $$$$.

    I hope that all made sense, because I don't know how else to put it.
    Very nicely said, I understand the points your making and I very much agree with them. A lot of the arguments in this thread just don't hold up to me, yours seem like the closet thing to the real truth.

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    haha when I saw the Katy Perry movie, me and my mom were the onlyy ones there. so when the part came up about Avril, I got up starting clapping and yelling "THAT'S AVRIL!!! THAT'S AVRIL!!" In the movie, the people told Katy she should be more like Avril Lavigne. When she was recording a song, one of the guys was like "Sing the chorus with more aggression" and Katy was throwing things and acting crazy and she was like "Grrr! I'm Avril Lavigne!!" I'm sorry, but I thought that was funny x3

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