Why do people in the internet thinks....

[avrilxxx15]

First of all

I don't want to drag the same negative topic all over again, if this happens with my thread, I am asking the mods to quickly shut it down.

Anyways I really wonder...

Why do people ( specially in the internet ) even her own fans already believed that Avril can't will no longer have a huge success, that she will never have a comeback, that she will flop or will only have a moderate success?

I think to see her regarding such passion is one of the greatest worst insult you can say on her. Its like declaring someone is already dead when they are just unconscious.

And why of all big stars who flopped. Why is that its only Avril, its only her that people think not capable of recovering

Look at other big stars who flopped hard in their career, they managed to get as huge as they used to be, they recovered. People and their fans did not put those artist out of the equation, they did not see them as B-Lister despite that.

The thing, its only a one flop album, its only one failed album, And its silly to think that all because of that one failure, JUST ONE FLOP ALBUM that people are already dismissing her out.

Is Avril that "special" or "hopeless" that unlike her peers, people think she is incapable of rising again?

The excuses that " she already been the it girl, Avril already had success in the pass " is pointless, So what if she had her huge success in the pass? Isn't Pink, Britney, Beyonce, Kelly and others had the same thing in the pass and they still enjoy the same success as they have in the beginning., If they can, why Avril can't?


Another excuses such as those artist tied their self with mainstream hit makers, that they are iconic in the past, that they are doing this and that is funny.

Avril is an anomaly in a sense the last time she worked with a producer that managed to make hits for other other artist ( Max Martin ) resulted in a disaster. With the exception of Dr Luke, It shows that Avrils formula for producers and hits really differs.

What worked for them will not work for Avril and vice versa

So saying that the reason she wont rise again because Avril is not doing the things that other artist does is funny, Why? Because like what I said, she have her own formula and ways to succeed. Its sometimes obscure and weird but she is doing some thin


PS I think that Avril should work with new people and minimize collaboration with Even and Deryck, However, as someone here badly says that Avril needs to work with Dr Fluke instead of Chad to succeed is funny and highly opinionated. Yeah their collaboration with Fluke did worked out well with GF and TBDT, However, as we we all know, Avril should quit and should not do generic produced pop music in order to succeed, We all want something new from her, and working with the same producer ( fluke, evan, deryck, bitch walker ) wont do her wonders anymore

Chad is a new collaborator, so is Runners, David and Manson.

So whatever guys....

[BogoGog24]

Those stars you mentioned do not have exactly the same success they once did. It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are. Avril will never sell 16 million copies of 1 album ever again (at least not until the album has been around for 10+ years probably). She will never have that exact same level of success and popularity she did during LG. As more and more new artists come out on the scene, they will be the ones getting the attention. It's not that she won't ever be successful ever again, but she'll never reach that same level she once had. She just won't. It's like when a baby is born, the baby gets all the attention and the older sibling is out of the spotlight. Avril is the older sibling. I'm sure she'll enjoy success for the rest of her career, but definitely not on the same level she once did. Just accept it and move on.

[Ezequiel]

Those stars you mentioned do not have exactly the same success they once did. It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are. Avril will never sell 16 million copies of 1 album ever again (at least not until the album has been around for 10+ years probably). She will never have that exact same level of success and popularity she did during LG. As more and more new artists come out on the scene, they will be the ones getting the attention. It's not that she won't ever be successful ever again, but she'll never reach that same level she once had. She just won't. It's like when a baby is born, the baby gets all the attention and the older sibling is out of the spotlight. Avril is the older sibling. I'm sure she'll enjoy success for the rest of her career, but definitely not on the same level she once did. Just accept it and move on.

I regret that I not agree with you, but I think if the person / artist aims to achieve and exceed your expectations and achievements .. this can happen!

[avrilxxx15]

Those stars you mentioned do not have exactly the same success they once did. It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are. Avril will never sell 16 million copies of 1 album ever again (at least not until the album has been around for 10+ years probably). She will never have that exact same level of success and popularity she did during LG. As more and more new artists come out on the scene, they will be the ones getting the attention. It's not that she won't ever be successful ever again, but she'll never reach that same level she once had. She just won't. It's like when a baby is born, the baby gets all the attention and the older sibling is out of the spotlight. Avril is the older sibling. I'm sure she'll enjoy success for the rest of her career, but definitely not on the same level she once did. Just accept it and move on.

WHat the?

Avril dont need to sell over 16-18 million copies to have the same level of success again, specially that album sales these days are much lower than it used to.

And are you sure that those I mentioned are not as huge as they used to be? They managed to have great album sales for today's time standard, They dont need to outsell their first albums, but they are still as huge as they once, or at least considered to be.

But if a badly planned GL sold almost as much as her relevant rivals world wide, What more can Avril achieved with the 5th album.

Avril can have a huge comeback even if she sold 2-5 million record of her 5th album ( or even more ) another thing is where is the majority of sales came from? If Avril sold same amount like she did in GL but the 80-90% of sales are in the US, then it will be considered a great success and i will be happy.

However, if she sold 3-5 million albums copies world wide for the 5th record, but only managed to sold a total of 200K-300K copies in US, then its still considered a flop.

As much as i hate to admit it, Avrils 5th album success will be measured on how much she will sell in US. And once she sold tons of albums in US, then i am content with the total sales she can have world wide, even if its lower than GL.

[Jacklavigne]

Those stars you mentioned do not have exactly the same success they once did. It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are. Avril will never sell 16 million copies of 1 album ever again (at least not until the album has been around for 10+ years probably). She will never have that exact same level of success and popularity she did during LG. As more and more new artists come out on the scene, they will be the ones getting the attention. It's not that she won't ever be successful ever again, but she'll never reach that same level she once had. She just won't. It's like when a baby is born, the baby gets all the attention and the older sibling is out of the spotlight. Avril is the older sibling. I'm sure she'll enjoy success for the rest of her career, but definitely not on the same level she once did. Just accept it and move on.

'Cause life like this, that's the way it is. The main objective now is to make her relevant enough to have a long and consistent career, which wouldn't neccesarily need her to be "massive" again.

As much as i hate to admit it, Avrils 5th album success will be measured on how much she will sell in US. And once she sold tons of albums in US, then i am content with the total sales she can have world wide, even if its lower than GL.

Those concepts are antagonistic, and you know it. If she sold overall lower than GL (something not likely if things are done well), it would be impossible to sell "tons of album" in the US. Being realistic here, selling between 500k-750k in the US would be good for her; and most important, if she's capable of having a moderately successful tour, which I think it's more important than sales.

Frankly, I think this thread is bringing up the same old topics about sales and stuff, but since we don't have anything else to talk about (no album news), I'm giving it a chance. If it gets (even more) repetitive, it will likely be closed.

[iAmTeffi]

It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are

This.

Im not close mindedly judging avril's capability these days but i do agree with the statement above. Today, Avril in any ways cant achieve the same popularity and success bieber , swift etc. are experiencing. Because today is the peak of their careers while avril already had hers. We just have to accept that reality.

[Opinionated Brit]

WHat the?

Avril dont need to sell over 16-18 million copies to have the same level of success again, specially that album sales these days are much lower than it used to.

And are you sure that those I mentioned are not as huge as they used to be? They managed to have great album sales for today's time standard, They dont need to outsell their first albums, but they are still as huge as they once, or at least considered to be.

But if a badly planned GL sold almost as much as her relevant rivals world wide, What more can Avril achieved with the 5th album.

Avril can have a huge comeback even if she sold 2-5 million record of her 5th album ( or even more ) another thing is where is the majority of sales came from? If Avril sold same amount like she did in GL but the 80-90% of sales are in the US, then it will be considered a great success and i will be happy.

However, if she sold 3-5 million albums copies world wide for the 5th record, but only managed to sold a total of 200K-300K copies in US, then its still considered a flop.

As much as i hate to admit it, Avrils 5th album success will be measured on how much she will sell in US. And once she sold tons of albums in US, then i am content with the total sales she can have world wide, even if its lower than GL.

I think what Bogogog was meant was that she will never be as successful in direct relation to her first album. Like, we are unlikely to see her shift 16 million copies of the 5th album in the first year no-matter what, simply because these kind of figures almost never happen anymore.

She could still hit a number 1 in my opinion and top the album chart but you don't need as many album sales to do that nowadays as it's so much easier to purchase individual songs that you like off of an album rather than the whole thing so generally the actual album sales will always be lower now.

[Miles890]

It's only up to her, only up to her! It seems that she doesn't take care about it otherwise she wouldnt have disappeared for the rest of the world! Only us fans know the existence of this album, only us!

[marliz.]

I think a lot of us are having faith in this next album, by judging on posts by people here on Bandaids.
(with a few exceptions of course)

It's only up to her, only up to her! It seems that she doesn't take care about it otherwise she wouldnt have disappeared for the rest of the world! Only us fans know the existence of this album, only us!

To me, any other artist I don't follow will dissapear to me untill their new album gets released.
It's all about the promo & good music.

Can't Avril have a break aswell, just like every normal person would?

[xevista]

Everything changes.

[Katyy]

Those stars you mentioned do not have exactly the same success they once did. It is impossible for any artist to recover the same exact popularity they had at the start and/or peak of their career. It just is, no matter who they are. Avril will never sell 16 million copies of 1 album ever again (at least not until the album has been around for 10+ years probably). She will never have that exact same level of success and popularity she did during LG. As more and more new artists come out on the scene, they will be the ones getting the attention. It's not that she won't ever be successful ever again, but she'll never reach that same level she once had. She just won't. It's like when a baby is born, the baby gets all the attention and the older sibling is out of the spotlight. Avril is the older sibling. I'm sure she'll enjoy success for the rest of her career, but definitely not on the same level she once did. Just accept it and move on.

This x10000000, i've got no doubt she can have a load of success if the album, image, personality, live performances etc are all on point but she won't have the kind of success she had with LG, or the kind of success the big pop stars are having recently (Katy, Rihanna, Gaga etc). She can do well, but she won't have the hype she once had because shes been doing it for so long, shes not new and exciting anymore, that happens to everyone!
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[avrilxxx15]

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Judging by most comment on this thread

I give up, please close this thread, what i see is disturbing

I just can't at all of you, I just cant.

Did people wrote of Britney, Kelly and Pink after they had a flop album? My point is If they can still achieve massive success and rise again after they flop, Why Avril can't?

look at Kelly, If Kelly managed to recover, Why Avril, Who is I think more well known can't do the same?

I am not saying that she needs to hit sales of LG to be iconic again, all she needs is a solid sale, particularly in the US market, if she sold most of her records in US, then I am happy, because her comeback will be considered, regardless of her WW sales, Rather than higher WW sales but very low US sales.

It sucks, because you people feel think Avril is already over

I hope the 5th album proved you all of you wrong.


@Katy,, look at Pink, Brit, Kelly and Beyonce, old timers but they still got it, still got the hype. If they can, why Avril can't? what are you trying to prove in your statement? But ok i get, They are better, thats why they still have it, why Avril is not, End of discussion.

@Admins, please close this thread. I've already lost all hope to all of you. yeah, the best fans ever, the best fans....